Clemente Figuera

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Wistiti posted this 09 January 2018

 

 


Hi guys!


In the past I play a bit with the Figuera concept. It use the POC as we already know the potential. I think this guy, Marathonman, understand the principe behind the Figuera device...

 

Chris, if there already a tread about Clemente Figuera, feel free to move this at the good place!

 

 

 

 

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Chris posted this 09 January 2018

Hey Wistiti, Sweet Thread! 

The News Articles that we have on Clemente Figuera, and his device, tell all about the device, and yes Marathonman has it entirely Correct! This we have covered for a long time also.

Figuera says, very clearly, he sold the patents to the Bankers, so we must not trust the Patents!

 

Telegrama / Telegram Figuera 1902.

As we know, experiment proves truth, dis-proves lies, we already know much of what is said in the Patents is not true, sorry Hannon, but Experiment On the Bench does not support the Bankers falsified Documents.

What Experiment On the Bench does support however, is what Figuera said in the early News Articles. A source that is hard for the Bankers to change...

Thanks for sharing Wistiti, Figurea is one of my favourites, a great man that only now, more than 100 years later, is getting credit for his work!

   Chris

 

P.S: My favourite resource: http://alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

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Chris posted this 09 January 2018

I think it should be noted, and is very important, all the research done and data gathered is important for the Historical Record!

It is up to the reader of the information to Prove or Disprove the information contained!

It is very easy to Prove or Disprove! A very simple Experiment like The Mr Preva Experiment can shed a lot of light on these devices!

In saying this, the words used by Clemente Figuera, forgetting all else, the words used, are critical:

  • induced
  • inductor
  • magnet
  • electromagnets
  • turns
  • variation
  • field
  • traversing
  • voltage
  • current - 37 times second to top, The top word in this document is Figuera at 42 times.
  • dynamos

All these key words, are critical to only one thing: 

Electromagnetic Induction

It is even said, by Clemente Figuera himself:

This principle is not new since it is just a consequence of the laws of induction stated by Faraday in the year 1831: what it is new and requested to privilege is the application of this principle to a machine which produces large industrial electrical currents which until now cannot be obtained but transforming mechanical work into electricity.

PATENT by CLEMENTE FIGUERA (year 1908) No. 44267 (Spain)

   Chris

 

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

 

How many Coils does Clemente Figuera Use?

 

How many Coils does Melvin Cobb Use?

 

How many Coils does Alexander Frolov's Phi Transformer Use?

 

How many Coils does Don Smith Use?

 

How many Coils does Floyd Sweet Use?

Divide by Two and exclude EX1 and 2 because they are Dive Coils.

  • P1 = 2 + FB1 = 3 Coils
  • P2 = 2 + FB2 = 3 Coils

EX1 and EX2 are Drive Coils, for Feed Back, or Feed Forward, depending on how you want to look at it,  giving a Time Constant via an Induced E.M.F from the two Power Coils Opposing Fields squeezing out the side through the EX Coils.

Turns Ratios and the Wavelengths used are important, we know this already.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

Thank you Wistiti and Chris for your kind words. i had or tried to post a very informative post but when i tried to post it said i had to relog on thus my entire post disappeared  so ill keep it short this time.

the first pic you have on your last post was a failed attempt from Wonju and that core orientation will not work in the Figuera device. i will slowly reveal all about this device as we move along as to not overwhelm or leave people behind as my sole intention is to get this device to the world and not be like other so called free energy people selling lousy books and trinkets that do nothing but be a good paper weight.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

I also would like to point out that the banksters really did not touch the patent as such because Figuera wrote a slightly cryptic patent so i guess they left it a lone. most people can't even get past part G because they are associating the pic to the device when in reality the pic is just part G in it's very, very basic form just for understanding purposes and one needs to think out side of the box and of that time period.

there are basically only two ways to control currant, one is through resistance which is very, very wasteful and the other is through a magnetic field. a lost art that was used at the turn of the century using a magnetic field to control currant flow. what Figuera did was split the feed into two and controlled both separately using an inductor and a rotating brush. as the positive brush rotated the currant running through the primaries to part G caused a north magnetic fields at the brush from both feeds. having two north faced opposing fields allowed them to stay completely separate while varying the currant of both in complete unison dynamically. as the brush rotated the amount of winding's changed magnetically linking to the system thus varying the amount of magnetic field opposing the original currant flow.

and this my new friends is how Figuera did it.

 

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

In a standard Generator we have almost the same thing happening as in the Figuera device except of course the Figuera device main section that does the generating does not move. in a standard geny part of the output is used to excite and create a magnetic field then the rotor rotates through these fields creating currant. the amount of power used to excite this field is ONLY a few percent of the output so why in hell can't a geny be overunity.  well it has to do with the cogging effect, as the rotor passes the stator polls it tends to not want to let go. the attraction is so intense that it takes massive power to overcome this attractive force and destroys any chance of being OU. using 125 % power to get 50 % power is not only crazy but only benefits the rich oil barrons and rapes the environment 

Figuera on the other hand figured out that he could do the same thing by just moving the weightless, massless field back and fourth totally eliminating the cogging effect entirely.

did you hear what i said  (THE WEIGHTLESS,  MASSLESS FIELD)  that takes a minute amount of power to move back and fourth thus rendering those smog farting, environment and people killing machines OBSOLETE.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

my next video will include the primary and secondary relationship thus the cause of coherency between the primaries and secondaries. If the Primary fields are not coherent (In Unison) the total energy in the region is the sum of the energies of the one field, i.e., the increasing electromagnet. if coherency is maintained the square of the field intensity of each electromagnet combined is integrated over the region of space occupied by the secondary, thus the total energy is the square of twice the field intensity integrated over the region, or twice the energy of the two fields incoherent!. so basically that's twice the field intensity squared compared to regular bucking coil fields.

Marathonman

Chris posted this 10 January 2018

Hello and Welcome Marathonman!

I agree with your posts, that last one in particular, speaks volumes...

The field energy is proportional to the square of the amplitude of the total electromagnetic field. As a result, the simple addition of the energy fields of the total field can be many times the energy of the initial fields separately. This property of the electromagnetic field is non-additivity of the energy field. For example, when added to a stack of three flat circular permanent magnet energy of the total magnetic field is increased to nine times! A similar process occurs with the addition of electromagnetic waves in the feeder lines and resonance systems. Total energy of a standing electromagnetic wave can be many times greater than the energy of waves and the electromagnetic field to add. As a result, the total energy of the system increases. The process is described by the simple formula of energy field

Andrey Melnichenko - Transgeneratsiya electromagnetic field energy

 And

The underlying principal (forget Millikan’s experiment) has been derived in that magnetic effects vary on the square of the current. As the load on the machine increases, the volt-ampere product increases. The rate of flow of charges increases.

Floyd "Sparky" Sweet - The Space-Flux Coupled Alternator

We have an experiment here we, well I refer to all the time, The Mr Preva Experiment, this proves exactly this. It is undeniable and only Fools try to dispute it.

You are right in what you say, I have found the same things, spending many years gluing a long trail of references and data to support my findings!

Simply, hard provable data can not be disputed by any sane mind!

Welcome!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

I have been just posting randomly so to get a better understanding of the device i will start at the beginning.

Marathonman's Synopsis of the Figuera device

After three years of constant study, research and on hand experience, i have concluded that the Figuera device operates in said capacity according to the 1908 patent and the following is my interpretation of said free energy device.

in the patents it can be seen how ingeniously and by mechanical methods, how the engineer tried to generate electrical energy inside a coil by varying the flow of two opposite and opposing magnetic fields, trying to get into the machine the same characteristic behavior of a conventional generator, but without moving part.

In a standard generator we have what is termed a quadrature. the incline and decline of the north magnet and the incline and decline of the south magnet. also we have what is termed "the cogging effect". the cogging effect is where the rotor passes the stator electromagnet and upon passing the electromagnet an extreme attraction force wants to pull the rotor back in to register (alignment) causing the motor to bog down from the heavy load of the attractive force. this extreme force from present day generators has been the same since the days of Praxii in France and has not changed. thus we are left with a system that is completely crippled from the cogging effect and inefficient beyond belief. the amount of fuel used in this type of system is staggering and certainly benefits only the Oil Companies and tax hungry Governments.

in the Figuera device both electromagnet accounts for only 1/4 of a quadrature but with no cogging effect what so ever since the device is stationary and no moving parts. thus allowing the 1/4 quadrature to be much more efficient in terms of power usage (input) verses power output. since the cogging effect has been removed the amount of power that was wasted on rotation is now available to the system for use to power it's electromagnets and rotating brush motor which amounts to very little leaving a system that is so efficient it powers it self and the load indefinitely. once the system is started with an external power supply, it can be removed and the system remains running with no noise, lubrication, pollution or waste products to deal with. the implication of such a device is utterly mind boggling and a game changer to the average human. allowing each and every human to grow their own food 24/7 365 days a year, pump their own water, power their own home and personal vehicles. thus changing the very evolution of the human race advancing toward a more productive, peaceful, harmonistic society riding the powerful elite of their choke hold on the human race through control.

My further understanding is that through my research a setup with two bar magnets facing each other separated by a nonmagnetic bar glued between both like pole faces to keep them separated by a fixed distance and a stationary loop with an attached galvanometer. if the magnets are moved back and forth, the galvanometer will move back and forth with twice the deflection magnitude as that of a single magnet moved at the same rate. proven by Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell and William J Hopper and others.

What is the Figuera device.

The Figuera device consist of a complimentary set of primary opposing electromagnets (Set N and Set S) between them resides an output coil/core (Y) governed by a controller part "G" that varies the currant allowed through the the primary electromagnets.

the primary electromagnets are varied in currant in unison, one taken high, the other taken low, just enough to clear the secondary then reversed. in the said action a unique condition takes place in the area the secondary output coil resides in causing the condition known as a Motional Electric Field. as both primaries are occupying the same relative space in space, we have a set of conditions where both B fields (Magnetic fields) are opposing one another therefore effectively canceling each other out. in this unique condition, both fields are effectively equal zero but the electric fields of both electromagnets remain intact therefore doubling the effective E field compared to one electromagnet alone thus the square of the both. 

 by using a DC source through part G, the original source is effectively split into to two separate feeds allowing the primary electromagnets to be varied separately in unison allowing the cancellation of B fields and the additive E fields to remain to be collected by the secondary, a condition known as a pure BV field. the secondary according to the patent is "properly placed" in this area that is effectively zero B field zone but where the Electric field is actively present and doubled in strength.

Superimposed magnetic flux from the two sets of electromagnets (Set N and Set S) consists of one electromagnet with left to right spin taken high, and one electromagnet with right to left spin taken low in unison. thus we have a unique condition in the space surrounding the secondary: the resultant magnetic flux, due to superposition of fields, is zero; and the resultant motional electric field intensity is E = B1 x V1 + (-B1) x (-V2) = 2B1 x V1, or E2, double the intensity attributable to one electromagnet alone, where B1 is the magnetic flux due to the electromagnets and V1, the electron drift velocity in, say, the in and out direction. although the magnetic flux energy in the device is reduced to zero, the electromagnetic induction giving rise to what we term the "motional electric field" has by no means been canceled nor reduced in any way as both are positive and additive. this is and have been verified by William J Hooper and others.

another unique condition of the opposing primary electromagnets is that while one electromagnet is taken high, the other is taken low but in doing so in it's receding action, the rising electromagnet basically shoves the receding electromagnet out of the secondary core into it's own core from where it's magnetic field was born. this action causes a considerable amount of magnetic flux to be confined in the said core thus allowing the magnetic energy to be shoved out the back of the receding electromagnet into part G to be stored in a magnetic field for later use therefore feeding it's self every half turn of part G. if the receding electromagnet is taken down to far or the primary electromagnets are not in complete unison the pressure between them will cease and induction will fall low to the output of the peak of the rising electromagnet.

Part G

After much research into the origin and function of part G, i was able to narrow, with the help of a colleague, the origin, device and manufacturer of the part G device to Germany and Zeiss or Otto as the manufacturer. both companies produced precision variac of the highest quality and were the go to companies for quality workmanship. more then likely it was Zeiss as the dates and events are to easily lined up. one little known fact is that DC can be used through a Variac and produce similar effects of currant restriction through variation with a twist of a knob. Figuera on the other hand chose to have the core wound with one continuous wind, one end to Set N and the other to Set S all while varying the currant through the rotating brush making contact with two winding's at a time in a make before break scenario to avoid currant disruption to the primary electromagnets. this action would be detrimental to the function of the device if b emf were allowed to take place as all induction would cease and power production would come to a halt.

part G is a magnetic resistance device rarely used in today's modern world, a forgotten relic in a world of silicon ic's that can be had in any style, shape or form. part G is unique as it splits one DC feed into two separate independent feeds. this feat is accomplished through two opposing fields as the currant enters part G through it's winding's causing two opposing north magnetic fields. these two magnetic fields restrict the amount of saturation of the core restricting currant flow and through self inductance or rather dynamic self inductance (magnetics).

part G is connected to the primary electromagnets to allow the inductive kick back from the receding electromagnet to be stored in it's core every half turn of the rotating brush, thus allowing the stored magnetic field to be converted into currant feeding the primaries as the brush rotates. this action of part G is similar in action of an inductor allowing energy to be stored and used. as the brush rotates so does the magnetic field. when constructing the device a second secondary can be wound on the output core allowing said secondary to be used for the sole purpose of powering the device to replace losses occurred through heat and wire loss, which accounts for very little aiding the inductive kickback from the declining electromagnet allowing the device to be self sustaining. once this device is started with an external power supply, the supply can be removed and the device will run indefinitely powering what ever you so choose.

Suppression

scientist's of our present day say that free energy is "impossible" yet their are over 10,000 free energy device patents in the united states and over 40,000 globally, most of which were illegally seized by the patent office under the guise "of national security". funny thing is the US patent office is not even part of the US Government ( independently owned and operated) yet they are continuously allowed to do so, steeling average citizens free energy patent. the suppression of free energy is coming to an end as all through out the world are becoming aware of the ability to self sustain. Maxwell and Faraday proved with out a doubt, that free energy is possible. if this was not so then why did J. P. Morgan, a rich banker, spend million trying to hide the fee energy equations through Heaviside, Lorentz and possibly Einstein through bribe monies. J. P. Morgan even went so far as to pull school books and had them changed and put back into circulation. he was also responsible for the suppression of the most gifted person of our time, yours truly Nicola Tesla. reducing him to the point of feeding pigeons for the remainder of his life. if perpetual motion is not viable, then apparently Figuera and our Universe did not get the memo, wouldn't that be awkward if the world stop spinning tomorrow.

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

@Marathonman - Are you aware of the very old devices called Mag-Amps, Saturable Reactors and the like?

 

“Now I'm going to say something I should not. Floyd Sweet was privileged to work with the  Germans after WW2. He pulled this trick on me with the VTA except I caught him and was  booted out he only made it look like he condition the magnets . The Germans already had  developed, kept away from the people rotating mag amps and Sweet worked on them. ( He  was an electromagnetic expert in this field) It was funny to me when I would go over to  Sweet's place with the coils I wound for him and when I would leave it would be working the  next day. I asked him to remove the 100 watt power Amplifier and he refused so I left then  was asked to never return by Tom Bearden, Tom did not know as I never told him. Tom even  brought one over to me to test away from Floyd's house where it was working before Tom  left to have it tested. Floyd went nuts when Tom told him he was testing this at my shop. It  did not work. So whatever GE had knowledge of , Floyd knew How, but I can make this  machine work either way.”

...

“That is why nobody can make it, Sweet device also Magnetic Amplifier.”

John Bedini

 I was never able to confirm any of this. But back in those days it was how they did things. So its hard to say.

We are growing stronger every day, with every new member, we are working as a team and we are moving forward all the time. Our Collective Will makes us in stoppable! We are already making a difference!

We work for the next Generation, making the difference the last Generation should have, but only few did.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

Yes i am, i have done extensive research into mag amps. in the old days they were called reactors. why do you think i know so much about part G and it's operation thus the connection to Ziess who made part G.

using mag amp control is indestructible and can not be downed by emp blast if used in a plane, boat or car.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

To whom are you directing this question to?

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dummyload posted this 10 January 2018

I was offline for a little bit, so I hadn't seen the reply from Chris when I posted. I just deleted my post. It just seemed that the mag amp or DC Variac described had a special construction.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

It's all about the control of saturation in mag amps. i can take 12 volts and control any kind of voltage and currant i want.

in the figuera device part G is basically the same thing with a twist.

Marathonman

Chris posted this 10 January 2018

I was offline for a little bit, so I hadn't seen the reply from Chris when I posted. I just deleted my post. It just seemed that the mag amp or DC Variac described had a special construction.

Hey Dummyload - I may have been late to reply, sorry, I have been really busy lately. got a side project and its taking a lot of time.

GE built what's called an Amplidyne, it is a Rotating Magnetic Amplifier. I do not know if this was what Floyd may have worked on, but it fits the description given by JB.

One has to ask the question, why would GE put a "Generator" on the end of a Motor? It clearly served a purpose, especially on the gun mount control system in the Military.

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

in the figuera device part G is basically the same thing with a twist.

Marathonman

Agreed, it is, the Twist is Electromagnetic Induction, we are Amplifying Voltage and Current in excess of Unity, and above! Charge is Separated, Conduction Improves, which in turn Resistance drops, because Conduction = 1 / Resistance.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

 it was a motor generator combination used to control gun turrets and heavy industrial equipment.

Quote;

To convert a generator to an amplidyne, what would normally be the load brushes are connected together and the output is taken from another set of brushes that are parallel with the field. The perpendicular brushes are now called the 'quadrature' brushes. This simple change can increase the gain by a factor of 10,000 or more.

it also says Ward Leonard has something similar but i already knew this from my studies of Ward Leonard but what has always amazed me was why did this tech get passed by.

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Marathonman posted this 10 January 2018

I really don't look at it quite like that. i don't see charge separation, negative or positive anywhere in our universe. what i see is pressure gradients of highs and lows pulsing in and out, reaction and reaction in a wave type motion.

in my mind electricity is pressures of high and low not positive and negative so the Figuera device is a pressure pump. as pressure always tries to equalize the Figuera device keeps the pressure out of balance seeking equilibrium  and is in a constant state of.  or as another view in a constant state of charge and discharge.

the Tesla AC to DC patent is such a device that allows the pressure to travel only one way being blocked by a magnetic field the other direction.

Marathonman

Chris posted this 10 January 2018

I agree, it is a Pressure, it is T.H. Moray's "Pump":

Electricity is not made by the generator, it is merely pumped. From that standpoint, an electric generator might be referred to as an electric pump and the Moray radiant energy device as a high-speed electron oscillating device.

T. H. Moray - The Sea of Energy in which the Earth floats

 There is beauty in Logic. A Jet Engine, Air Pressure, a Turbo is the same. This video of mine, Stress is a Pressure:

 

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Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

Every atom collects it's energy from the Zero point energy field NOT from mater. mater has no energy it self other than what is supplied from the energy field. it does not exist until it is brought into existence from that said field. and i believe EVERY word from Nicola Tesla as he WAS THE MASTER. i may not understand it all but i have a fairly good grasp on things. we as all mater that is living has a common connection and thus are naturally connected through the energy grid that functions as a two way highway of information and energy connected through God.

yes i believe the Anunnaki created us as the information and evidence is way to over whelming to not consider. we have been lied to for 6,000 years and those bastards are still trying to lie to us. we were created as slaves but i refuse to be a slave any longer, that is why i need to get the Figuera device out there to the people who deserve it.

i am a man of my word and live by my word and you people will get the information in my head if it kills me or they kill me first.

Marathonman

Chris posted this 11 January 2018

Hahaha Nicely worded - We feel the same way Marathonman! I assure you!

For the sake of Science and the way Science has discovered Nature and all of the Great Scientists that have contributed to Science, I follow Science and do Science, but Experiment is what guides my beliefs. Not the Dogma of bad Scientists! Which is NOT Science!

As all Great Scientists have, even the Great Nikola Tesla, worked with the Fundamental concepts of Electrical Energy, as this is my focal point. This being Voltage and Current, the quantities we Measure and observe.

I have my own views on how these particles have managed to stay in existence for as long as they have. I have chosen to stay largely silent on the underlying concepts, simply because I do not wish to confuse people.

I want to stay on target and leave out all unnecessary complications, at least where possible.

That's just the way I want to go with my work. Any following my work, and the progress I have had in the study of Floyd Sweet and my side projects that relate and correlate to Floyds Sweets work, can then follow the same Concepts laid out in Science, a Standardised View Point that is well documented.

I need not re-invent the wheel, only tighten a few spokes...

The reason I say this here, is, this is how Clemente Figuera also approached his work. As many Greats did following Figuera.

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Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

So the basic concept of the FIguera device is this.

two primaries facing each other being opposing north face electromagnet one increasing one decreasing. the decreasing electromagnet will catch the back side of the spin as it is retreating causing the E Field to be in the same direction as the increasing electromagnet. either electromagnet is only taken down 1/3 to 1/2 just enough to clear the secondary the back again to the other side as it is increased. in this process the secondary being between them connected to a load, currant will begin to flow producing an opposing field to the currant flow so what we end up having is similar to that of a squirrel cage motor. the primaries cause the initial induction in the secondary but as the currant starts to flow in the secondary and load it created a second field opposite to the first ie... lenz law. is it this field that is shoved from side to side in the secondary from the primaries. what we end up having is  N>N<N with the secondary field in between and is easily moved from side to side with very little effort.  moving the weightless, massless field which is much easier than a massive hunk of iron in regular generators.

 

as the currant flows through part G we have a set of conditions that control the currant flow. since we have a brush rotating around the cylinder the amount of winding's change as the brush is rotated thus we are changing the amount of winding's magnetically linking to the circuit thus changing the opposing magnetic field that opposes the original currant flow through the circuit. since currant is flowing in two direction we have a north north opposing fields at the positive brush that keeps both sides of the inductor separate allowing complete unison as the brush rotates.

 

as the brush rotates to one side the reducing side magnetic field is reducing releasing energy back into the system and at that same time as the low primary is shoved out of the secondary into it's own core a high pressure is built up in that core and is shoved into part G feeding the high primary. this sequence of events happen every half rotation of the brush thus we have an orderly rise and fall of currant through the primaries.

 

you could say that part G is a duel dynamic inductor that is basically a pressure regulator regulating the currant flow through the primaries with two independent sides that act like short term batteries charging and discharging every half rotation all while varying the currant.

the larger the magnetic field the more drag on the original flow of currant. in the regular teaching of an inductor they only teach you that a change in currant causes more or less opposition to currant flow. what they never say is the reverse is also true by changing the conditions of the circuit ie.. winding's and core length (magnetically linking) you can also control the currant flow and this you will never find in ANY University around the world.

 

Marathonman

Zanzal posted this 11 January 2018

i am a man of my word and live by my word and you people will get the information in my head if it kills me or they kill me first.

No worries man. As of this year (((they))) don't have the influence they once had. Also I don't think they kill people for knowing about FE or how to build FE devices. Though I am fairly certain they killed people who tried to upset the balance or status quo or who had invented something truly special. Unless you are manufacturing anti-matter in your basement or trying to put a FE device in every home/car you don't have anything to be concerned about IMO.

Chris posted this 11 January 2018

As of this year (((they))) don't have the influence they once had

World Wide Eutrophic Smack Down of Evil - I am totally tickled about this! (((they))) have been reaped and this time the Grim Reaper is shinning light for all!

Team Q

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Chris posted this 11 January 2018

since currant is flowing in two direction we have a north north opposing fields at the positive brush that keeps both sides of the inductor separate allowing complete unison as the brush rotates.

And this is the part that is music to my ears!

We have, from the Horses mouth, Clemente Figuera, that the Clemente Figuera Infinite Energy Machine was, in his words:

 

PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION

Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns,  while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic  field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced  is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one.

Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as when, this circuit being still and motionless, the magnetic field is increased and reduced in intensity;  since any variation , occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical  induced current .It was considered the possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the electrical current which produces it.

The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced. Therefore it matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them; but in the first case, a greater source of mechanical work than obtained electricity is required, and in the second case, the force necessary to achieve the variation of flux is so insignificant that it can be derived without any inconvenience, from the one supplied by the machine.

Until the present no machine based on this principle has been applied yet to the production of large electrical currents, and which among other advantages, has suppressed any necessity for motion and therefore the force needed to produce it.
In order to privilege the application to the production of large industrial electrical currents, on the principle that says that “there is production of induced electrical current provided that you change in any way the flow of force through the induced circuit,” seems that it is enough with the previously exposed; however, as this application need to materialize in a machine, there is need to describe it in order to see how to carry out a practical application of said principle.

This principle is not new since it is just a consequence of the laws of induction stated by Faraday in the year 1831: what it is new and requested to privilege is the application of this principle to a machine which produces large industrial electrical currents which until now cannot be obtained but transforming mechanical work into electricity.

PATENT by CLEMENTE FIGUERA (year 1908) No. 44267 (Spain)

The truth is, Electromagnetic Induction does produce an E.M.F and as a result, most of the time, a Current, an M.M.F will become available.

Of course, these two quantities are our Focal Point.

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Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

I hope you realize the part you quoted i am talking about part G the controller Chris not the generating part.

the average person i have found through out my journey can not understand or decipher the patent on the Figuera devise in it's entirety and especially falters on part G associating the pic in the patent with the real device. that is why i am trying do describe what is happening in the parts of the device. i am not sure if posting parts of the patent will have a positive or negative effect on them.

what i suggest is any one pursuing the Figuera device is down load all patents and read word for word every line and what i have posted to get a better understanding of what is going on in this device. identifying the parts of the system will also help in the understanding of what i post.

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Zanzal posted this 11 January 2018

Good info here, definitely convinced me to give this one a try. For a small prototype what is the recommended construction recipe here. I understand the coils all need to have a soft iron core (which is difficult and somewhat expensive to source). Can anyone recommend based on experience:

1. minimum number coil sets (7 shown in the patent, can it be done with 1 set, 2 sets, etc?)

2. minimum/maximum dimensions for soft iron cores for N/S coils and also for pickup? 

3. wiring gauges for wiring for both the N/S coils and also pickup?

Just looking for basic replication starting point, not for use necessarily on a practical scale. 

 

Chris posted this 11 January 2018

Hey Marathonman, yes, I see.

Studied and read many times. Perhaps my interpretation is a little different from yours.

Do you have your own schematic drawn up?

   Chris

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Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

yes i can. start with no less than two sets.

use MOTS to start (microwave oven cores) all the same size and weight.

any dimension will do as long as the secondary is not larger than the primaries.

wire size is up to the builder but output is recommended to be same or larger.

start small for replication.

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So lets sum up the the information that is presented so far on the Figuera device through my research and what was shared to me .

------------PRIMARIES------------

1. primaries need to have low self induction as fast response time in essential.

2. lowest ohms as possible since part G controls the currant and we need the highest magnetic field possible within the limits of the core material. can be series or paralleled but preferrable lowest ohm's possible. use of thick wire is recommended for lowest ohms possible and the use of thick foil is most optimal. wind as electromagnets with highest magnetism not according to known winding tech. part G controls the currant not the primaries.

3. the coil winding's need to span almost the entire length of the core not leaving huge gaps.

4. the primaries have to be equal or larger than the secondaries and at no time smaller. remembering square of the distance.

5. primaries need to be separate from the secondaries as eddy currants will interfere with the primaries main function and create losses and heat.

6. be butted up next to secondaries with as little as gap as possible, use resin on ends.

7. be properly secured as massive pressures will make parts fly at extreme velocities with possible risk of injury.

8. use of N/N primaries opposing fields to attain double strength E field as N/S.

9. Winding will be announced after complete running device and self sustaining. CW in testing.

10. Not wound according to present winding techniques. wound specifically to be electromagnets as part G controls currant flow.

----------SECONDARIES----------

1. core thickness to match primary.

2. wound with thicker wire according to load requirements with headroom.

3. winding span almost entire length of core not leaving huge gaps.

4. can be series and or paralleled to attain voltage and currant requirements.

5. use of secondary to power it self to replace losses in part G from wire, heat and core losses.

6. wound according to present day techniques.

----------Part G------------

1. Core va rating must exceed load rating (primaries high and low) plus additional head room steering clear of saturation. if saturation occures device will cease functioning.

2. be wound with thicker wire than primaries remembering that the wire rating is the sum of lower smaller branches plus headroom. since patent says (commutator bars ) i would suggest square wire as it is easiest to get a flat face.

3. use a closed core system, ie. toroid type core (most efficient) as feedback from primaries is of great importance mirroring primaries opposing function and proper magnetic field rotation. EI core can be used but with lower performance. straight core is not recommended as flux field can not be retained nor rotated.

4. secure wire to core as relative high rotational speeds will be attained if using standard rotating part G. transistor driven does not.

5. use high quality brushes as wear longevity is essential for standard rotating part G.

6. brush rotation of part G causes dynamic induction allowing currant manipulation through magnetic core saturation/inductance/impedance change. rotation of brush magnetically links windings to circuit causing additional self inductance.

7. be wound CWW starting from Set S output on bottom up the left side all the way around in one continuous wind or two halves joined together. 

------------TIMING-------------

1. timing is very crucial in the Figuera device, primaries are to be kept in complete unison at all times,

2. timing of primaries are 180 degrees from each other, as one is rising the other is falling but allowing the primaries ans secondaries to remain in phase. 

3. at no time is the primaries reduced to below half way and NEVER ZERO as induction will be lost from the reducing electromagnet falling to the output of the rising electromagnet reducing the output to 1/2 of original output. suggested 1/3 to 1/2 depending on core geometry.

4. collision wall of opposing electromagnets has to just clear secondary to attain proper B x V Motional field function as does maintaining complete unison all while retaining 80 to 90 % of original field strength.

----------DEVICE----------

1. this device is DC operated. ac will not work in this device as reversing polarities will cause the destruction of the duel Motional Electric Fields as well as all inductive kickback ect. also the magnetic fields take to long to build up with AC.

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Chris posted this 11 January 2018

In the original documentation some images were placed in the mix, I have no idea if they are legit!

 

 

I do suspect someone has gone a little crazy with a red pen... Inflicting some pain on what was really being said.

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Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

Like i said  that miss information will only serve to confuse people and new comers.

that paper was assumed by someone and found to be incorrect. besides the fact that the drawing is there for comprehension ONLY and IS NOT THE REAL DEVICE as stated in the patent. i repeat the pic is NOT THE REAL DEVICE.

and i hope your understanding Chris is not based on that pic.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

Chris;

Interpretation is a little different than yours.

well lets here it and i will explain in detail if there are errors.

Marathonman

Chris posted this 11 January 2018

and i hope your understanding Chris is not based on that pic.

Hey Marathonman,

No sir, expressed was scepticism, not faith!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

We have a long way to go yet to get everyone up to speed on this device so i will wait just a bit before i start posting schematics.

I am still working out an anomaly in part G but i will post a general sketch of the device as a whole.

Marathonman

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Chris posted this 11 January 2018

Chris;

Interpretation is a little different than yours.

well lets here it and i will explain in detail if there are errors.

Marathonman

Hey Marathonman,

I guess I work a little different than most. I look for Key Words, Key Sentences and then I use Fact to disseminate Negative Sentiment.

Basically, I look for provable Facts. Facts that can be proven to be true on the bench. All else I put in a "Maybe Later" basket. So, what Facts do we know about  Clemente Figuera?

  • He studied in depth Dynamos, same type of device as we know today as an Electrical "Generator"
  • Obtained from the Clemente Figuera Device was an excess of Current and Voltage
  • This Excess was attributed to Faradays Laws of Electromagnetic Induction.
  • As was mentioned, the word "Current" was one of the top words used, we know a Changing Current is analogous to a Changing Magnetic Field, thus supporting the Electromagnetic Induction hypothesis.
  • Fact is, the description of the device does vary from document to document which could mean several things.
  • Clemente Figuera spoke of "the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced", this we have evidence and experimental proof several times in other Devices.
  • It was often mentioned, pluralised: "induced currents", for example: "Therefore it matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them"
  • Fact is, the Sum of two Currents is greater then one Current Individually. A quality we are focused.
  • No one description of the device holds with Electromagnetic Induction.
  • The use of the term: "induced" is regularly mixed up, or confused with the mentioned Coil and or Input to its respective Output - Remember Figuera studied in depth Induction, he knows what "Induced" means!

The list goes on, but I think there is enough here to see what I mean. To get a bit of a handle on where and what I look for.

My one line interpretation of the Clemente Figuera device: 

A Machine that took full and complete advantage of Electromagnetic Induction to produce an excess Output Power in respect to its Input Power.

I hope this helps?

   Chris

 

Marathonman posted this 11 January 2018

The machine took full advantage of electromagnetic induction because it was lined up core to core at all time not separating like rotating ones.

the reason the device put out more than it took to run it was due to the fact that it had no moving parts and only moved the massless weightless field plus sentence one.

induction is just induction according to Faraday's laws of induction. a regular generator would do the same if it wasn't for the massive cogging effect. both type only take a small percent to excite.

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Hey Marathonman,

Just for the record, I think youre on the right track.

Todays massive Hydro Generators can be very efficient. Today’s standard reaches up to 99%.

One has to think about this for a while, What exactly is measured and what is converted to what in these measurements?

Shaft Torque is 100% of the Input Energy, this is the unit Newton Metre.

The Output is Electrical Energy, this is Watts, which is Joule's per second.

So what's the < 1% - Bearing Friction, Hysteresis and Windage Losses. 

A Transformer, the same problem exists, Hysteresis Losses and so on.

The Problem here is, we have a ratio of Input to Output! This ratio is a function of the Energy Conversion Process. This is a Closed System and no extra work can be done at any time during this process.

Energy Input: One Unit

Energy Output: Transformation of the One Unit less losses.

Ensuring a System that is ALWAYS below Unity.

In our System, we must invoke more than one Transformation, I have shown how to do this here: Some Coils Buck and Some Coils DONT

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

I agree and Figuera bucked the system all to hell

that is why he says a transformation of mechanical work to electricity in layman terms is BS.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

I read and study up to 15 hrs a day on my days off and my brain hertz. time to go to bed, i'll catch you guts tomorrow.

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Chris posted this 12 January 2018

I agree and Figuera bucked the system all to hell

that is why he says a transformation of mechanical work to electricity in layman terms is BS.

Agreed Marathonman, he does actually point this out in his text:

electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one

...

what is sought is the patent for the application of this principle

You can check the context if you like, but there is a direct correlation between the two snippets. One is the 'objective' and the second is the 'intent'.

Clemente Figuera was a very smart cookie! Well before his time.

Gnite, sleep well.

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

i cannot add pictures at all. when i click  the pop up nothing on it works. plus i can not copy and paste only when i use script block will it let me copy and paste plus it double post a lot like just now it posted twice so i deleted one and both disappeared so i posted a gain.

It could be my browser.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

If you want to get nitty gritty Buforn's patents are null and void. you can not patent a patent and thus renders them useless. they made a mistake at the patent office which was in Barcelona Spain by issuing them to him. even though his patents are the same as Figuera's he spilled the beans a little more than Figuera did as we all know from the 1908 patent is really cryptic and exposed only enough info to just get the patent.

the 20 year patent ran out in 1928 and  was buried in the patent office until it was found about 8 years ago and has been in the public domain ever since thus any replication there of CAN NOT BE PATENT as any and all in the public domain can not be patent.

i expose this info for all to see and build so those sorry Banksters can go to H#LL.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

Just tried another browser and no dice still no pic post.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

When using mots use the center leg only. carefully cut the other legs off and clean up core as best as you can either by layer by layer or the whole thing at once. it was suggested by someone to use the same winding that were on the mot but the winding's are not wide enough to span the whole length of the core so a rewind is at hand. make sure the primaries are exactly the same size and weight.

when i can finally post pics i will show you guys how to make awesome bobbins on the cheap with recycled plastic bottles cloth i picked up from wall mart @ 23 cents each 12x12 inch. after i cut and wrapped around my core supper gluing into place then covered in fiberglass resin. the cloth soaks it up and becomes rock hard bobbins with just a few coats.

you can then wind away.

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Chris posted this 12 January 2018

Just tried another browser and no dice still no pic post.

Hey Marathonman, an odd problem!

What browser are you using? And what Version?

Can you try the following:

  • Turn off popup blockers.
  • Turn off any Active Screen Filters you may have
  • Update Java to the latest version.
  • Turn off any anti Virus software.

If you can try one at a time, then try to add an image, this may narrow down whats causing the problem. 

Of course, when done, turn them all back on!

TinyMCE is perhaps the most popular html editor in the world! The website: https://www.tinymce.com/

Perhaps try on their site with one of the many demo's there also.

No one else has reported this problem, is anyone having this problem?

   Chris

 

P.S: So you're not getting the second popup after clicking the Image Button like this:

 

 

 

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

I get the pop up but the browse button is not there and the rectangle boxes are covering up half the words. i already have the pop up turned off, java is ok and Flash is allowed so beyond that i haven't a clue.

I will attach a pic of the pop up box.

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Chris posted this 12 January 2018

I get the pop up but the browse button is not there and the rectangle boxes are covering up half the words. i already have the pop up turned off, java is ok and Flash is allowed so beyond that i haven't a clue.

I will attach a pic of the pop up box.

Hey Marathonman - I have to go out, but real quick, try pasting the Image path into the box 'Sour' so it might look like something like:

  • C:\Users\Chris\Desktop\Image.jpg

but yours will be different path, and then try clicking Ok.

See if you can make some progress that way?

The image you posted, I have not seen it before, have no idea why you're getting this box.

You've followed all the steps here: Help with using the Forum and that's the box you get? This is completely odd!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

Can not copy and paste won't let me. even tried the new Mozilla Firefox, Google chrome, Internet Explorer and Chromium,  the same thing.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

One thing is very useful when testing your primaries is the use of a high powered resistor. see the primaries are wound to get the most bang for the buck with low resistance not according to present day winding techniques where resistance controls the currant. since the are specifically wound as electromagnets because part G controls the currant flow,  that tends to freak out power supplies so a few high power resistors connected in series helps. checking the resistance on an adjustable resistor set to 100 ohms  with the primary connected will will give you  1 amp @ 100 volts and this is what Figuera used.

i have two 300 watt adjustable resistors and they come in real handy at a purchase price of 24 dollars each.

using a little more currant will not hurt a thing as long as you don't go crazy.

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Zanzal posted this 12 January 2018

Can not copy and paste won't let me. even tried the new Mozilla Firefox, Google chrome, Internet Explorer and Chromium,  the same thing.

Marathonman

I don't get the browse button either so I cheat:

1) Upload the image as an attachment after creating the post
2) Copy the attachment link below the post into the clipboard
3) Edit the post and insert the image using the attachment link url
4) Wait a few seconds for the image to appear then edit the dimensions of the image to better fit the forum.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

we will see if it works. yahoo,,, thanks Zanzal.

below is a pic of the finished primaries and secondaries on a core of iron.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

Here is a pic of the building of the bobbins. the cloth is eco-Fi  craft felt made from recycled plastic bottles.

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2018

Here they are curing in front of the fire place.

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And finally here is a pic of painted finished bobbins.

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Wistiti posted this 13 January 2018

Hey MM, it is a pleasure to have you here with us!


I want to start with a welcome to finally a forum where people can freely share their building experiment without the fear of being challenged by bad mind people...

Here people are free to experiment with the bucking coil ,POC, technique (cause we already know it work) or any other approach they want. 

The main idea here is to build, learn and share together.


With that say, please do not be upset if the “mass” do not replicate what you are sharing.... This “mass” builders is not so high in number and some share their experiment and some other prefer to not... That the way it goes and it is ok like that.

Anyway, everyone learn and progress at their convinience...

Again I’m happy to have you here sharing!

Zanzal posted this 13 January 2018

Those coils turned out pretty nice.

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

Here is a pic of my winder and the winding tree as i call it made from water pipe from Lows.

Thank you all for the kind comments.

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

And here is a side view of the finished primary.

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

Here is a shot of the 300 watt resistors i use to test my primaries out with the 100 volt  power supply.

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

This is a very, very important graph. as you always have to be aware of the spin and currant directions when winding coils.  if your wire goes around the bottom of the core you will catch the top side spin.  if your wire goes around over the top you will catch the bottom side of the spin.

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

The first pic is a weld on a lot of cheap MOTs that has to be ground away to separate the I from the E. the second pic is where the cut lines are to be.

If using MOT cores (Microwave Oven Transformers) the pic illustrates where the cut lines are to be made. the red line is for the center leg and the blue line is for the outer legs where you will have to use both legs to equal the center leg. i would suggest using to matched center legs for the primaries and use the double outer legs for the secondary or all center legs if you have that many cores,

using stuff that other people throw away can really lighten the load on the wallet but will require a little thought and work, but in the long run you will be that much more happier because not only did you do it yourself, you lightened the load to the landfill.

other transformer material can be used also. if you find a three phase trany all three legs are the same size and can make many, many cores but with added work to the finished core.

I have pure iron cores to work with but the cost for 99.8 % pure cores are totally crazy expensive and the benefits do not out weigh the cost. using modern day laminations will get a higher output and stronger primaries.

The reason the primaries and the secondaries are on separate cores is due to the fact that the secondaries will have eddy currants that will effect the primaries function and this is not what we want. the sole purpose of the primaries is to be an electromagnet so by separating them and using laminations is the best way to go. since the magnetic field from the primaries resides in the space occupied by the secondary the secondaries have no influence what so ever on the primaries.

once your system is set you can use resin to attach the core to each other that way there is a barrier to stop eddies.

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Marathonman posted this 13 January 2018

Here is a pic of my solid iron cores. if you notice i have them cut and resined together to stop eddy currants i then buffed them out removing unwanted resin. bobbins can be made square to match your MOTS if using them and can be wound so much easier than directly to the core plus can be adjusted more easily.

putting clamps on the MOT's will help stop the laminations from separating when cutting them. use a new blade also.

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Marathonman posted this 14 January 2018

Again i can not stress the importance of spin and currant direction. all primaries are in the same winding direction with the exact amount of winding's as balance is essential between the primaries. i am sorry i changed it, it is CW looking at the face of the electromagnet.

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Marathonman posted this 14 January 2018

If anyone is interested in building this device and will be using mot's, the folder i have attached is exactly how i made my bobbins. they can be made ANY shape you want just remember to cover your cores with some non stick material first. i oiled my core down lightly but i still had a time getting them off as that resin can be quite stubborn at times. plus covering them will give your bobbins some extra inner diameter allowing them to slide on the core with ease.

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Marathonman posted this 14 January 2018

A very handy tool when experimenting with coils and magnets is a magnetic pole identifier. just push the button to find the pole orientation.

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Marathonman posted this 14 January 2018

 

Here is a very basic illustration of the system. i know this is a lot of info so i will take it easy for a while to allow the people visiting this thread to study, understand and absorb the info presented so far.

reading and understanding the Tesla's AC to DC patent you will come to realize the same type of dynamics are at work, the use of a magnetic field to block currant in one direction but allows currant to flow in the other direction all while allowing currant put into the system to flow through it.

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Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

Chris,

  Yesterday i tried to log on and got an error message. i  took a screen shot of the error and printed it out as a PDF. the attached is that error message. i would of used a personal message but you can't add after posting there. you can delete it after seeing it if you want.

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Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

 

Here is a shot of what part G would look like. in the original part G what Figuera used was an inner brush wheel that rotated inside an insulated iron cylinder but since that takes some awesome skills that the average person doesn't have i would suggest a build like the pic that is still immune to brush lifting from centrifugal forces. since the motor is only rotating a brush it doesn't have to be a monster motor. as long as it can rotate the brush at the speed required to get the frequency of your country. ie.... 3600 rpm for the US, 3000 for 50 hz.

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Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

Basically like the picture shows your part G will control the currant in this fashion. raising and lowering the currant is a nice orderly linearly fashion. as the brush rotates from say set S to set N.  the set S side will have more winding's being added magnetically linking to the circuit thus more opposition to currant flow and the opposite for the set N side all while staying completely separate from one another through the opposing north fields at the brush thus acting in complete unison of each other. both halves acting just like independent dynamic inductors either storing and releasing energy at the very moment the reducing electromagnet inductive kick back is inserted into part G thus amplifying the the power going to the increasing electromagnet and the storing of the field from the rising electromagnet for the next half cycle.

 

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Chris posted this 15 January 2018

  Yesterday i tried to log on and got an error message. i  took a screen shot of the error and printed it out as a PDF. the attached is that error message. i would of used a personal message but you can't add after posting there. you can delete it after seeing it if you want.

Hey Marathonman, a bit of a pain this message. The Antiforgery token has been issued twice and one becomes invalid. Its normal if you try to logon over top of an existing login. Not to say you did, but sometime hitting the login button twice fast while logging in can cause this. Other things can cause this also. Its ok, no problems your end, or Server side, its just an issue with the login.

This is resolved by closing the page and trying again or sometimes going back and using the previous Token.

Thanks for letting me know!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

OK.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 15 January 2018

I have had the worst day of my life. my friend of mine and i were moving my device build to a larger facility for testing purposes as he has more equipment for measuring,  the BONE HEAD tripped and dropped the box that had my completely built cores in them completely destroying one core all together and mangled the other badly. this set me back so bad i could just smash my head against the wall. he was so scared he bought me a case of beer and ran out the door.

here is a pic of what is left of one of my primaries.

 

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Chris posted this 16 January 2018

Sorry to hear Marathonman, a bad day! Hope your day improves!

   Chris

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Marathonman posted this 16 January 2018

Rather than trying to repair them i will just build them from scratch. the secondaries thank god are still ok, how in the world that happened i haven't a clue. hopefully i have enough wire and resin still on hand. oh by the way, if anyone in the US is in need of wire EIS is the cheapest in the US for wire. i would of liked to wind them with square wire but that would of been to expensive so i just used square on part G.

but please remember folks that the primaries DO NOT dictate or control currant, that is the job of part G. so wind your primaries to be specifically electromagnets.

Thanks Chris, and yes it did. i got a call from a friend that needs help that will net me a few grand so i will be replacing the primaries very shortly. i also had damage to the brush holder that connects to the motor so back to the shop it goes to be repaired or redone.

my advice to people would be don't enlist the help from a clutz.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 16 January 2018

I have decided to replace video 1 with a general video of the device as a whole and the function of the parts since i deleted the original. even though i wish Energetic forum servers would burn to the ground, we must move on so i will replace it. also video 3 will be out shortly and it will be about the primary and the secondaries actions. part 4 will be about part G exclusively.

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Marathonman posted this 16 January 2018

I hope that if any one has any questions whether logged on this forum or as a visitor has a question please feel free to ask away. even if you are a physics graduate or a teacher please feel free to grab a name on this forum and ask away. i care not from which you travel from, i only care from which you travel from here. knowing the ways of Mr. Figuera will change your life and your knowledge of this world. there should be a device in every house and village on this planet thus the lousy grid should be torn down and scrapped to build more devices.

Please ask away if you don;t understand or are even curious. PM me if you want to remain anonomous.

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Marathonman posted this 16 January 2018

picture is for illustration purposes only to grasp the system of Figuera. the actual wind direction of part G is CCW starting at set S to set N as this would give the necessary N><N field at the positive brush allowing both sides of the brush to act independent but in complete unison,

 

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Marathonman posted this 16 January 2018

This is part of the reason why a magnet pushed into a coil and pulled out of a coil the spin direction changes. i may be wrong, i may be right but all i know that when you pull out a magnet or decrease it's currant the currant changes direction. this is why i believe something so minute we can't see is spinning in our universe.

plain old research DOES NOT LIE.

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Zanzal posted this 17 January 2018

Not to derail, but I should point out in reference to that graphic that the bible provides an answer to key to the Kingdom of God. The key Kingdom of God is the Messiah. There is a door only he can open and only he can shut. This door provides entry into the Kingdom of God. Further its understood that flesh and blood (which is powered by DNA) cannot enter the Kingdom of God. These things can be described in sciency terms (higher dimensions, virtual universe simulations, etc), but DNA is not the key to the Kingdom of God.

 

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

WOW ! i just laid out so much info to the figuera device and all you can say is is a comment about something i completely forgot that was on that graph about a book that is basically a complete lie in the first place twisted by man to suit his own needs as a tool of control.

it seems i might be in the wrong place to present the Figuera device and need to reassess my reasons for being here .

Marathonman

Vasile posted this 17 January 2018

This is part of the reason why a magnet pushed into a coil and pulled out of a coil the spin direction changes. i may be wrong, i may be right but all i know that when you pull out a magnet or decrease it's currant the currant changes direction. this is why i believe something so minute we can't see is spinning in our universe.

plain old research DOES NOT LIE.

Marathonman

Welcome to the forum Marathonman, I apreciate your input and watch with interest every post you make.Today I took a relay coil and a magnet. I connected the relay coil to an osciloscope and while pushing the magnet in the coil and taking it out of the coil I noticed the voltage waveform changes polarity, so I confirm watch you are saying.

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

Yes Vasile, simple tests at home can verify everything i have posted. i have and do make mistakes on occasion just like everyone else as i am human but my time spent researching this device is in the 10's of thousands of hrs.  sometimes i just sit and think about the fields flowing back and fourth interacting with each other so the mistakes i make are far in between.

a lot of so called free energy devices out there are literally just scams to rob you of your hard earned money like on Energetic and OU just to sell pipe dreams and trinkets for a buck. i on the other hand have chosen to raise the awareness of people around the world that this device did in fact exist and was functioning in his house powering his lights, a twenty horse power motor and the street lights around his house.

everything in my videos can also be verified in the comfort of your own home. and hopefully if i am successful in my endevers i will be the spark that light curiosity and possibly bring self sustainment to humanity that desperately need it.

watch, learn, build, test, verify and be happy.

Marathonman

 

 

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

The pic represents part G and the opposing magnetic fields at the brush that allow both sides of the inductor to act as independent inductors but being in total unison. as the brush rotates toward set N the opposing magnetic field is growing smaller thus more currant is allowed to flow from less winding's magnetically linking the circuit also storing currant in the form of a magnetic field used to feed set S the next half rotation of the brush. as the brush rotated toward set N, set S winding's are increasing magnetically linking to the circuit reducing the currant and releasing energy into the circuit. at the same time Set S electromagnets is reducing being shoved out of the secondary causing EMF generation in the winding's that aides the reducing inductor amplifying the power to set N with two forms of supply. thus the two acting as an amplifier to the rising set N.

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

Here is another graph depicting the same thing, a orderly rise and fall of currant in complete unison using self inductance, a opposing magnetic field to control currant flow. if a regular resistor used here would cause massive losses and enough heat to heat your house or catch fire.

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Vasile posted this 17 January 2018

 Hello again Marathonman.It is clear you have a deep understanding of this device.The best understanding that I got was from the video that u posted some days ago.U explain better your ideas thru videos.Atleast this is my opinion.

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

Thank you Vasile.

I really am glad you understand the point i was trying to convey. i have other videos in the making. i have decided to replace video 1 as it was just a gripe video of Energetic pitfalls. anyways it will be an overall operation of the device. video 2 is what you watched explaining why electromagnets are all north face. video 3 will be on the operation of the primaries and the secondaries and video 4 will be on part G exclusively.

again thanks and i hope you enjoy the series.

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Vasile posted this 17 January 2018

 I studied it myself and as a point I noticed is that the currents circulating in the primaries with the aid of part G, remain in oposition meaning N-N but they are 90 degrees out of phase.Am I right?

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

That would possibly be true if it was AC but in this device we are using DC so not a phase difference.  just in relation to the secondary the raising and lowering of the currant. while one is rising the other is falling or rather reducing.

this is how the double intensity E field is produced as the reducing is catching the back side of the spin making both Circular E fields the same direction while maintaining their magnetic opposition.

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Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

I don't know where i got this from maybe Walter Russel might have said It i don't remember but what it said is the Magnetic Field itself that creates drag; it creates Friction on Electric Charge itself. It can be seen as heat in Conventional Electric Generators. ie. Lenz Law. this would tend to be very true especially in an inductor's point of view. a changing magnetic field creates drag on currant flow thus reducing it for a period of time and when the field equalizes full currant flow is restored. the reduction period in the part G has been extended on a dynamic basis adding or subtracting winds as the brush rotates thus the two fields are either increasing or decreasing and never equalize.

This very fact must be true as Walter Russel's device had almost no magnetic properties at all and was based on the amplification factor similar to a tornado amplifying voltage and currant.

Interestingly, the World’s most efficient Generators are 98–99% efficient; this means that 100% of Rotational Shaft Energy, with a 1-2% loss in friction/heating and other losses, and the other 98–99 % are the effects of Lenz Law creating Magnetic Drag on the moving Rotor to generate Electrical Energy.

in the Figuera device the 98 to 99 % rotational drag has been eliminated all together.

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Zanzal posted this 17 January 2018

WOW ! i just laid out so much info to the figuera device and all you can say is is a comment about something i completely forgot that was on that graph about a book that is basically a complete lie in the first place twisted by man to suit his own needs as a tool of control.

it seems i might be in the wrong place to present the Figuera device and need to reassess my reasons for being here .

Marathonman

Greetings Marathonman,

Yes, I appreciate your sharing and being here. I have a religious obligation to combat heresy just as I have an obligation not to lie or to steal or to harm other people. We have to be true to our beliefs. Feel free to express yourself in any way you see fit, I shall do the same and with much politeness if at all possible.

Marathonman posted this 17 January 2018

I can appreciate that but the post was very unintentional as i forgot that was on that graph even though an interpretation directly from the dead sea scrolls stated that very fact. i tend to leave the religion beliefs and science completely separate as my belief don't coincide with a man written book of control and science and physics speak for them selves.

I dedicated my life to this device (to help out humanity) not to religion so you will have to excuse my frankness from time to time as i mean no harm or ill will toward anyone except energetic forum. i hope his mainframe melts to the ground. ha, ha, ha

So how did you like the info on the mot's ? hopefully it will be useful to builders of very small test builds as mot's are easily attainable.

 

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Zanzal posted this 17 January 2018

So how did you like the info on the mot's ? hopefully it will be useful to builders of very small test builds as mot's are easily attainable.

I thought the info you provided was very complete and concise and your own turned out excellent. I was sad to hear about the mishap. I myself don't have the equipment or machining skills today to take the same path, but there are those that can and will thanks to that info. I was thinking about obtaining some smaller bar stock and making a scaled down version. I'm doing some research into the solid state version of part G that uses two decade counters. I find that device alone to be very interesting and I'm going to build one and study it as soon as I can.

Marathonman posted this 18 January 2018

Thank you very much. i to was dazzled a the thought of electronics but the cost of the electronics to exactly mimic the rotation was out of this world. it will be very hard to replace part G as it has many functions that aide in the function of the device that can't easily replicated with electronics. that is why i went back to the original device build.

maybe something like 1/2 inch iron bar might be down your alley but mots are so easily had as people throw them away all the time

good luck either way.

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Marathonman posted this 19 January 2018

Zanzal;

I to don't have a lot of tool but what i do have gets it done or i IMPROVISE. i wanted my core nicely cut so i went to a machine shop that fixed valves and asked the big boss what he would charge to cut them. when he asked me what it was for his eyes lite up and i sat there for 30 minutes explaining the device. well long story short he cut them for free and said good luck and to please stop by for an update on the device. so you see improvise to get it done and include people in your adventure, it makes them feel like that had a part in it.

down load all pics and graphs and study this device like crazy. be sure to tell other people about it and what you are doing to help humanity, you will be surprised at what you can accomplish and what doors will open.

I have the flu, don't feel well and 10 hr day is long tomorrow so i must rest.

Marathonman

Zanzal posted this 19 January 2018

down load all pics and graphs and study this device like crazy. be sure to tell other people about it and what you are doing to help humanity, you will be surprised at what you can accomplish and what doors will open.

Have you considered the level of danger individuals pose to your work? Everyone so concerned about the Rothschilds, never realize there are those who would suppress this because it suits their interests as well. Especially because of where you live, lots of people with ties to oil, wind, and solar. Think about this: Someone blabs and tells their rich Uncle about your research, the next day two ex-cons show up and rand-sack your home. You remember the theory that everyone is connected by at most 7 levels of separation?

I have the flu, don't feel well and 10 hr day is long tomorrow so i must rest.

My whole house over here recovering from whatever is going around. Get well soon.

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Marathonman posted this 20 January 2018

Zanzal;

According to your post two weeks ago there was no threat yet today there is one.

You darn right there is always that possibility as are world is full of sick, greedy materialistic people that would like nothing better than to kill the opposition to maintain there pathetically empty, rich life style.

if everyone in this world knew of this device the safer it will be, hell they can't kill us all even though we at the present time are heading for extinction from the destruction of this planet through Corporate greed and pollution.

in my world everyone should have a power supply at their house, car, boat or what ever you have that needs power. the ability to grow their own food thus steering their lives as they seam fit. if we lived in a cashless society where everyone chip in a few hours a day of there time or materials for the betterment of the whole the seven deadly sins would be a thing of the past. i am sure everyone knows the seven deadly sins come directly from money,  the tool of control.

this device actually existed,  was built and was powering his house.

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Marathonman posted this 20 January 2018

Here is another graph of the general operation and set up of the device. using the Tesla Ac to DC will allow currant to flow properly so when the reducing side of part G is releasing energy and set S inductive kick back into the system it can flow to the primaries as it should.

 

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Zanzal posted this 20 January 2018

Zanzal;

According to your post two weeks ago there was no threat yet today there is one.

You may have to take me literally sometimes. I'm known for splitting hairs. My words were this:

No worries man. As of this year (((they))) don't have the influence they once had. Also I don't think they kill people for knowing about FE or how to build FE devices. 

What I was saying is that group of people often referred to as the cabal aren't a serious threat to researchers. At least not in the early stages. Invent something revolutionary, and they come into the picture to take it from you (force or money depending on the nature of the invention and its implications), otherwise they are content to watch. Or at least they were, they've lost control now. Another threat may emerge to replace them, but again I don't see them as a threat to most FE researchers.

Now people who want to change the world have other threats to contend with. That's why I asked if you had considered human nature here.. Forewarned is forearmed.

Marathonman posted this 21 January 2018

I was forced to change my post for the really sensitive uninformed types so here it Goes.

you contradict your self in the same paragraph. research into the suppression of FE devices might be to your advantage as my 15 years Plus of research suggests otherwise. the list of murdered people following the FE path is longer than my front driveway.

i am here to spread the info of the Figuera device not squabble about 6,000 years of suppression, that is for another thread.

Chris;

I changed it according to your feelings but i must mind you that noting ones lack of information is in no way uncivil or disrespectful in any book.

Have a nice day.

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