Ferrite Resonance

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Zanzal posted this 25 December 2017

In attempting to trace down the phenomena which Akula devices could exploit to achieve overunity I have come across the concept of ferrite resonance. A similar term ferroresonance has also been associated with Akula devices, but I am not sure that is applicable as it seems to me that Akula devices do not meet the requirements needed for ferroresonance. Ferrite resonance to the best of my understanding has to do with the natural resonant frequency of the core material. It is not clear though how to determine the core materials natural resonant frequency.

Has anyone explored this concept in detail and willing to share insight? Can provide a how to guide to determine the transformer core resonant frequency (independent of any windings)?

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Vasile posted this 25 December 2017

Very good question Zanzal. I experimented for a long period of time with electrical resonance. There are numerous types of electrical resonance but the one I feel you are looking for(natural resonance of a material) is the most interesting because it is not afected by L or C of the material, but simply by metric components(basicly the lenght of the material).

The best resource I can give u right now in this direction is Nokola Tesla patent No. 649,621.

By way of illustration, if the rate at which the current traverses the circuit including the coil be 185 000 miles/s then a frequency of 925 cycles/s would mantain 925 stationary moves in a circuit 185 000 miles long and each wave would be 200 miles in lenght...

From what I quoted above u should understand that the material has full wave resonance conditions build up in it, but please do read the patent enterily because u will find that he uses quarter wave resonance conditions as he finds them to be ''...the best conditions for resonance...''

 

P.S.: This is a link to the patent mentioned above

http://www.mcnikolatesla.hr/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/81_00649621.PDF

Chris posted this 25 December 2017

Hey Guys, Some good questions/points raised.

Please keep in mind, and this is more important than anything, that not all Akula's devices had a Ferrite Core, in fact majority were Air Core or even Copper core!

One example of No Core:

 

Another:

 

and another:

 

There is also many others. So, is the secret to Akulas devices Ferrite resonance, or ferroresonance?

EDIT: You are right though, resonance is important. We saw it in The Mr Preva Experiment, the Currents had to be 180 degrees out of phase for max efficiency.

   Chris

Zanzal posted this 25 December 2017

@Chris, you make a good point about Akula. But for me the question at hand isn't about whether my current line of research is relevant to Akula or my assertion that ferrite resonance is in fact the source of the energy. That's a debatable claim that one shouldn't take too seriously at this stage.

I tried to use terms that I felt would line up with other researchers work, but when I use the term "Ferrite resonance" I am talking about the natural resonance of the core material. If the core material is air it may still be relevant to Akula although no ferrite is involved. I apologize for not taking the time to explain my reasoning here, its mostly intuition and I can't really explain it. If I am able to put anything coherent together I will share further. Consider some of the strange claims that have been made such as those regarding core's shattering when operating at overunity or like Wistiti said one of his devices "stopped being overunity after some time."

@Vasile, that sounds interesting. The so the natural resonance can be determined by propagation of a wave across the core material. The closer to resonance frequency the more likely the wave will pass through the material unhindered? I've ordered some piezo buzzers to try and reproduce a youtube video I found on it. I wasn't sure if that was actually a good way to test that or not. 

 

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Zanzal posted this 25 December 2017

Alright so an idea just came to me. What if I cross reference electrical resonance of the transformer and compare to the acoustic resonance. What happens when I bring the electrical resonance into phase with the acoustic resonance? (i.e. adjust the electrical resonance into the same frequency or a fundamental of the acoustic.) Shattered core is my bet, but it should be interesting to find out.

Further experiment.. Determine if there is a "magnetic" resonance for the core unrelated to electrical and acoustic. The magnetic resonance might be the frequency where the core saturates the fastest or for the least current. Not sure if there is such a resonance.

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Chris posted this 25 December 2017

@Zanzal - What is the Source of the Magnetic Field?

I mean, at the level we work and create waveforms, What is the Source of the Magnetic Field?

Then, on the flipside, what Invokes the Movement of Charged Particles?

   Chris

 

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Chris posted this 26 December 2017

@Zanzal - You are exactly right when you say Resonance.

Question: Have you read the papers on Floyd Sweet? Particularly the Magnetic Resonance paper?

This was a golden gift this paper. Others also, but this one in particular:

Electrons revolve about the nucleus of an atom and spin around their axis. In addition, the nucleus has a spin of its own. All of these moving charges have associated magnetic fields (magnetic moments), and magnetic resonance is concerned with the interactions of some of the fields with each other, and with at least two external magnetic fields applied to the atom.

We must not forget, Copper has the exact same Protons, Neutrons and Electrons that is spoken about! Also, a completely insulated Copper Conductor yields no Voltage and thus no Current, that is unless the Insulation is broken! 

Floyd Sweet did study other Energy Machines!

We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.

However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power. The frequency is a forced response and remains constant. Power is lost and efficiency becomes less and less, depending on the degree of mismatch. Let’s assume the Jensen amplifying transformer is in a resonating condition. Its output is connected to a transmission line which is X number of miles long. Without any customer load at all, power will be required to change the line. This will present capacitive reactance,  XC 1/2  fc . The power factor cos angle   will be leading, though negligible on short systems. The effect must be reckoned with on multiple grid long systems operating above 60 KV. What we have is a capacitor and the effects are evident as line impedance. Another parameter is varying power factor due to changing inductive loads. Taken together this forms a complex impedance load continually varying and this is what the “Jensen” machine will “see” when connected to power distributing network grids. Such a resonant machine will never sustain resonance as shown in the sketch. The circuit consists of a capacitor in series with an inductor and this is a series resonant circuit of minimum impedance and maximum current.

Now, I am still a student, and always will be, but Floyd Sweet wrote this paper, studied the Jensen Machine, well before he knew about the operating techniques, I can say this 100% for sure. Why? Because the reflection that Floyd talks about, it does not happen the way that is described! The Input see's pretty much no load, it is left to resonate and is not change by "complex impedance load continually varying". In fact, the opposite is true, as more Load is applied, the more the machine Outputs, to a degree.

   Chris

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Zanzal posted this 26 December 2017

@Zanzal - What is the Source of the Magnetic Field?

I mean, at the level we work and create waveforms, What is the Source of the Magnetic Field?

Then, on the flipside, what Invokes the Movement of Charged Particles?

Thanks for pointing out Floyd Sweet's paper. I'd say your questions relate to the sum of magnetic moments in a given area of space. I want to stick to measuring resonance for now so though I will read the paper and see if it gives me any ideas for measuring magnetic resonance of a given core.

 

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Chris posted this 26 December 2017

@Zanzal - Fair comment!

Charge in Motion gives rise to the Magnetic Field, and Magnetic Field in Motion gives rise to the Charges in Motion.

So, one is the other, its the ol Chicken or the Egg scenario, but a very important aspect to keep in mind when working with this.

That experiment does look like fun!

   Chris

 

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dummyload posted this 26 December 2017

I have also seen broken ferrite yokes used with a slip of paper inserted into the break. What is the purpose of this? How does it affect the characteristics of the ferrite? I think of Tesla"On the Dissipation of Electrical Energy" Where the effect of electrifying the air is relevant.

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Zanzal posted this 26 December 2017

I would guess a slip of paper between parts of a core would be for altering the inductance by introducing a small fixed width gap. You might google up gapped core for more info on that. Speaking of gaps, one experiment I was hoping to run was to use a small piece of rubber between two halves of a pot core gap to see if I could magnetize a core strong enough for the rubber to deform. This could create a change in inductance that might prove interesting for parametric oscillations.

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Chris posted this 26 December 2017

I have a very good friend, he used to test materials for resonance, and all sorts of other really cool things, in the Millitary.

The material was clamped to the bench, the material was struck with a machine, almost like hitting with a hammer, and the materials resonance was recorded.

This is such an interesting topic to listen to! Size and Geometry and so on does make a difference.

There is a mechanical Resonance that can shatter the material, this is normally a type of domain resonance, or crystal lattice resonance.

I have posted this video before but having trouble finding the page I posted it to:

 

   Chris

Zanzal posted this 26 December 2017

This looks relevant:

https://www.nature.com/articles/160090a0

Gyromagnetic Resonance in Ferrites

MAGNETIC ferrites of great homogeneity have been prepared in this Laboratory. In these ferrites the tangent of the loss angle between Band H is found to rise at a certain frequency fairly suddenly from values less than 1 per cent to values much exceeding unity. The permeability at the same time goes down to very low values, which shows that not only the boundary displacements but also rotation of domains as a whole are affected at these frequencies. behaviour of the complex susceptibility Xc = X′ − iX″ (see graph) suggests a phenomenon of resonance. (J.L. Snoek, 1947)

Unfortunately the document is behind a paywall, but the abstract looks very interesting.

 

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Zanzal posted this 26 December 2017

Something to consider. I think that the gyromagnetic resonance frequency varies with the applied magnetic field. If such a resonance could lead to overunity it would need to be stable. The only stable point I can imagine would be at saturation. I wonder then if the reason a lot of Akula replications fail is because they have underwound the primary and are not reaching saturation. Another thing to consider is that perhaps the Akula diagrams have the primary and secondary swapped.. Perhaps the primary needs more turns than the secondary.

 

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Chris posted this 26 December 2017

Hey Zanzal, yes you're right. The Precessional Frequency, or Larmor Frequency is dependant on the external Magnetic Field Strength applied.

This is also dependant on the Material, Copper forms in two different Isotopes and as a result has two different Presesional Frequencies.

See: http://web.mit.edu/speclab/www/Facility/nmrfreq.html

This frequency is dependant on the Applied Magnetic Field, which normally will be given. Its in the Tesla's region normally. Also, the DC Field in Teslas, is Orthogonal to the RF Field, Two Fields at Right angles.

For Others: I have thousands of hours study in these areas. I personally believe it was of little benefit to reach my end goal. So if you're not keen on studding this field, its no biggie!

   Chris

Chris posted this 02 January 2018

 

We humans should always focus on the fundamentals! 

  • What is the definition of a Conductor?
  • What is connected directly to our Load?
  • What is the purpose of Insulating the Copper Wire?
  • What is the Source of Electricity?
  • What makes Charge Move?

 

 

We humans have a terrible tendency to over complicate the most simple things. Floyd Sweet said:

Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway.

 

Why would a statement like this be made? An Electron that is exposed to a changing Magnetic Field does what? I want to push the simplicity message to all here, its a very important message. We must avoid over thinking the simple things.

 

Think Simple, take the fundamental concepts, use the Keep It Simple method.

   Chris

 

P.S: Every single Energy Machine from Solar Cells to the Electrical "Generator" uses the Charge Separation technique to make one Terminal Positive and the other Negative...

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Zanzal posted this 03 January 2018

You might be right Chris, there may not be any value to the idea of gyro-magnetic resonance as a source of free energy. Or at least it appears to be a very complex subject not appropriate for casual research.

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Chris posted this 03 January 2018

Hey Zanzal - Your train of thought, and investigation of the "Ferrite Resonance" phenomena is excellent! Very well put together and already well researched!

I am merely trying to save you some time, as this was one area I spent a huge amount of time on.

If you don't mind me saying, all that needs be done, is bring this same train of thought over to the Copper Atoms and look at the Copper Conductor instead of Ferrite.

Copper requires less Coercive Force, making the Copper Atoms much easier to work with. Also, each Electron in its relative orbital changes its Orbital and thus its Energy State depending on the applied external Field and the Electrons around it.

A changing Magnetic Field of value N can start a movement inside the Conductor of Electrons, a Current, where the Insulation on the outside of the Conductor is the barrier where no Electrons can Exit or Enter.

Now by Increasing the Magnetic Field N to N times 10, freely, and we know how to do this in The Mr Preva Experiment, also in several experiments I have shared (Most have not yet realised the importance of these experiments) can push past the Unity Boundary - Simply because we have excessive Electromagnetic Induction occurring in the system at no extra cost.

   Chris

 

P.S: The Copper Conductor is the Source of Electrons, these Electrons power our Load, all we have to do is make them move, "Pump" them as T. H. Moray said.

P.P.S: At Ferrite Domain Resonance, we may see a gain in total Energy, but will experience Damping and other problems if applied Load changes, we need to look at a System that has very few if any of these problems. This can be achieved in the systems I am presenting.

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Zanzal posted this 04 January 2018

If you don't mind me saying, all that needs be done, is bring this same train of thought over to the Copper Atoms and look at the Copper Conductor instead of Ferrite.

Copper requires less Coercive Force, making the Copper Atoms much easier to work with. Also, each Electron in its relative orbital changes its Orbital and thus its Energy State depending on the applied external Field and the Electrons around it.

That's a really good candidate for a working principle behind non-permanent magnet Unipolar generators which are rumored to be able to be designed as Overunity devices. I've always wanted to try to design one of those but I lack the required machining skills. 

Although some Akula style devices make use of copper on the transformer core, its not clear how much if any impact this has. I guess I could try and reproduce his air/copper toroid and examine the behavior, something to consider if the next round of experiments fails.

Chris posted this 04 January 2018

Akula has told us, its marked on a diagram and also verbally, but the bit marked "Negative Back EMF" is a real giveaway:

 We also see this in the Equation:

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right.

Current to the right is: I = da+ / dt + da- / dt.


Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.

 

The Mr Preva Experiments shows us this very technique, as did Floyd Sweet in his writings. It is also explained by many others, including Steven Mark and Clemente Figuera...

The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced.

Which is exactly what Floyd Sweet said!

   Chris

 

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Chris posted this 04 January 2018

The term: "Negative Back EMF" is Energy that is "Generated" for part of the Cycle, that is not directly due to the change of the Current on the Input.

Energy that is "Generated", that is not due to the MMF on the Input On Cycle, that is MMF, that is available to makeup the Losses and also power a Load.

Energy that is "Generated" is a Magnetic Field Changing in Time in Proximity of the Conductor, that starts a Movement of Electrons inside the Insulated Copper Conductor, Conduction, Electrons able to move from one point to another. An Action reaction phenomena of the Lorentz Force.

Energy is "Generated" or Pumped, its a function of the Changing Magnetic Field. This Energy is already there, static. Its Atomic, Electrons on the Outer Orbitals, from the Copper wire, are moved by this change in Magnetic Field:

 

Again this we have covered many times before, in many places. PUSH Electromagnetic Induction, its not meant to be a Symmetrical Process, which we already know, it's meant to be an Asymmetrical Process, which is very poorly explored   !!!

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Zanzal posted this 05 January 2018

I have also seen broken ferrite yokes used with a slip of paper inserted into the break. What is the purpose of this? How does it affect the characteristics of the ferrite? I think of Tesla"On the Dissipation of Electrical Energy" Where the effect of electrifying the air is relevant.

I had a chance to test this and the results were interesting. The resonant frequency of the transformer increased (as expected), but most interesting thing I noticed is with a very small gap <= maybe 0.6mm the transformer produced a voltage significantly higher (20-25%) than when the two ferrites were pressed together. Thanks for mentioning it, no idea at this point if it has functional benefit but its another interesting aspect to experiment with.

Another thing I noticed is there appears to be usable power that can be extracted from the core capacitance itself when the transformer is at resonance. By attaching the core to a bridge rectifier and the other AC input to earth ground I was able to charge a 2200uf capacitor. Not sure yet if this put a load on the transformer when i was doing this as I was simply playing around with resonance not doing any power measurements.

 

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Chris posted this 05 January 2018

@Zanzal - Sounds like a very interesting experiment!

As you squeeze the Cores together, the Inductance will change, this will give you more output, it may not account for all of the output, but something to keep in mind.

How have you determined the resonance? Buy maximum output? Or have you measured the BH curve?

Did you see a change in the BH Curve? Plotting the Input Current vs the Output Voltage can give some interesting results in some devices!

   Chris

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Zanzal posted this 07 January 2018

How have you determined the resonance? Buy maximum output? Or have you measured the BH curve?

To determine if in resonance I use the voltage output of the transformer (max voltage=resonance). Here is my test circuit:

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